Mark Driscoll’s god Hates you
Even the Sunday school kids will tell you that God hates sin, not the sinner. This is just totally sickening:
Mark Driscoll:
Some of you, God hates you. Some of you, God is sick of you. God is frustrated with you. God is wearied by you. God has suffered long enough with you. He doesn’t think you’re cute. He doesn’t think it’s funny. He doesn’t think your excuse is “meritous”. He doesn’t care if you compare yourself to someone worse than you, He hates them too. God hates, right now, personally, objectively hates some of you.
The inspired word of God:
But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. (Rom 5:8 NAU)
Source: Unsettled Christianity (where there is a video too).
But then again, I suppose too much Calvinism will do this to you.
And some of us are just sick of ‘Driscoll and his preaching!’ And a “Biblical” Calvinism, always allows the biblical tensions!
irishanglican ~ Fr. Robert
October 10, 2011 at 22:17
Nothing new here. Mark Driscoll has been preaching “God hates you” at least since 2007, as I wrote then.
Peter Kirk
October 10, 2011 at 23:03
Hey now…
“Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.” Ephesians 2:3
God hates the sin.
But then he sent Jesus to cover the sin, to direct the wrath of God away from us and onto Himself. Only then can we say “While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.”
Every year, we hear the story of the Crucifixion and Resurrection dozens of times. However, sometimes hearing the story seems like we’re just going through the motions and we start to lose the personal connection to the story.
The truth of the matter is that we need to hear this story every day. Romans 3:5-6 says, “But if our unrighteousness serves to show the righteousness of God, what shall we say? That God is unrighteous to inflict wrath on us? By no means! For then how could God judge the world?”
As sinners, we deserve the divine wrath of God to be inflicted upon us every moment of our lives. His wrath is just. God hates evildoers and we deserve to be thrown into the lake of fire and burn for all of eternity, forever and ever … And ever. While His wrath is completely just, He is loving towards all of creation. We all know how His love was demonstrated – through His Son hanging on the cross. However, ANYONE can be unfairly convicted and hung on a cross to die. If we believe that Christ dying on a cross saves us, we are so wrong. There’s so much more than that. The Son of God took upon Him the divine wrath of God as a substitutionary sacrifice so that we would not have to face God’s wrath.
Even this is not the full gospel. Right now, we are at “Christ died to save me.” Now, if you know much about grammar, you’ll know that the object of that sentence is “me.” It creates a me-centered, man-centered gospel and if we raise our hands to worship the god of this gospel, then we are not worshipping God. We are actually worshipping ourselves.
The true gospel is that Christ, the Son of God, became the substitutionary sacrifice and took upon Himself the wrath of God that we deserved
SO THAT We may glorify HIM. This creates a God-centered, Christ-centered gospel.
Christ-Follower
October 11, 2011 at 01:46
This is awful.
classywithatwist
October 11, 2011 at 08:21
I mean, I don’t know how biblical it is that “God hates the sin and loves the sinner…” I mean, the reality is that we’re not liars because we lie, but rather we lie because we’re liars. We are ALL “by nature, objects of wrath.” I may be mistaken, but I think wrath means hatred or at least really intense anger. What about these passages?
Psalm 5:5, “The boastful shall not stand before Thine eyes; Thou dost hate all who do iniquity,”
Psalm 11:5, “The Lord tests the righteous and the wicked, and the one who loves violence His soul hates.”
Lev. 20:23, “Moreover, you shall not follow the customs of the nation which I shall drive out before you, for they did all these things, and therefore I have abhorred them.”
Prov. 6:16-19, “There are six things which the Lord hates, yes, seven which are an abomination to Him: 17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 A heart that devises wicked plans, feet that run rapidly to evil, 19 A false witness who utters lies, and one who spreads strife among brothers.”
Hosea 9:15, “All their evil is at Gilgal; indeed, I came to hate them there! Because of the wickedness of their deeds I will drive them out of My house! I will love them no more; All their princes are rebels.”
Alexis
January 19, 2012 at 23:17
Alexis (and others). To prove that God is a god that is hatefull and wrathfull is easy when you only quote from the Old Testament. Through Jesus Christ, we recieved the Gospel. Jesus talks of God as his Father and we took this narrative from him. We refer to God as our Father (or Father-Mother, as I believe is more correct, since God is so much he cannot merely be a masculin persona), which is so much deeper than Lord. A lord is someone who has power over you, because he’s richer, stronger or whatever. A father has power over you as well, but this power finds it’s source in love, more even, mutual love. Jesus brought us the message of a God that is loving, a God of Mercy, not wrath (compare in Luke, where Jesus reads from Jesaja to the original Jesaja text: Jesus stops reading where Jesaja speaks of the wrath of God. In Christ we find a new alignment with God, a new promise of Mercy. I do not know this Driscoll dude, but I really wonder how he knows so well (better than Jesus even) that God hates you. He just means that he hates you and he thinks he’s God, I presume.
Sophia
January 21, 2012 at 22:49
We should have pity on this man, he is so far away from home… Poor pastor.
Joris Peeters
January 21, 2012 at 23:14
Perhaps we shouldn’t simply toss out what is said in the OT? I think do believe that all scripture is God breathed and useful to instruction. That being said, it is hard for me to reconcile a God who loved us enough to die for us with the hatred of evildoers mentioned in Leviticus, Psalms, Proverbs, and Hosea. I would assume that there is what we might describe as a love/hate relationship that God has with those who have failed to live righteous lives, rejected his son and spurned his grace. Eventually, God unrequited love will turn into wrath. I might not say it like Driscoll did, but when you listen to his sermon in context, you see his very high view of God as a God of love as well as a God of wrath…
In the very same semon from which the quote at the top was taken, Driscoll says this,
“So, when we look to the cross of Jesus, we say, “God is holy and just. He does forgive, but not everyone. There is propitiation for sin, but it is in Christ alone. And if I am not in Christ, then I am simply filling a cup of the wrath of God that I will have to drink forever at the end of my days on this earth.”
And so you know that God loves you because of what Jesus endured on the cross. The cross of Jesus is where the love of God is most clearly seen, and it is a damnable thing to then look at the cross and ask, “Where is the love of God?” There is the love of God: that God loved you so much that he would pour out wrath upon himself, that he would suffer and die in your place as a friend, though you are an enemy. That’s the love of God.”
Still disagree with the man?
Robert
February 10, 2012 at 03:42