So Fr. S, do you do pray the Rosary? This used to be a major devotion for me as a R. Catholic, and even an Anglo-Catholic! I have not prayed the Rosary however in quite some time…years. Note, 2 Tim. 1:16-18 ; however, I am not sure prayers to any other than God, and the Trinity of God, are biblical? As “In Jesus Name”! HE alone is the Mediator, 1 Tim. 2:5…
“For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” (ESV)
This powerful verse seems to exclude any other “intermediares”!
I can remember back seeking to argue for the Catholic position of 1 Tim. 1:16-18, but even there, it does not address prayer outside of the “name” of Christ! As even Paul says, “May the Lord grant him..etc.” This, and the verses from 1 Tim. 2:5, etc., keep me from the “Catholic” position, and to the Protestant place, etc.
Just being real here, and this is a friendly disagreement!
Don’t pray it often (enough). See it as pondering the life of Christ through the eyes of His Mother. I don’t know that asking a person to pray for you violates Christ’s mediatorship. And while He alone is the only bridge between God and man (the only God-man), His role as mediator is not compromised by others intercede for us (cf 1 Tim 2:1-4, the preceding verses). Oh and then there is the whole in the Communion of Saints thing… gotta love that (!) – or miss it in your case Fr?
For me anyway, this whole subject should be seen in the soteriological sense. And when we focus on this subject here, the whole Mediatoral reality ‘In Christ’ is seen. I too love the Mystical Body of Christ, but again this is seen both spiritually, but always theologically. Praying for each other, biblically & theologically appears to be in this life alone. There is simply nothing in the Book or Letter to the Hebrews that allows mediatoral prayer, save through Jesus Christ alone, Himself the one great High Priest. This is the essence of the “better covenant”! (Heb. 7:22-28) And so the great mystical doctrine of the Communion of Saints is always “Christ Jesus” Himself, and there ‘In Christ’! – So no, I don’t miss anything that is not ‘In Christ’. To my mind, true Christian fellowship is always theologically ‘In Christ’, and it is only here that we have true “communion”. Spiritual-Mental-Theological!
So Fr. S, do you do pray the Rosary? This used to be a major devotion for me as a R. Catholic, and even an Anglo-Catholic! I have not prayed the Rosary however in quite some time…years. Note, 2 Tim. 1:16-18 ; however, I am not sure prayers to any other than God, and the Trinity of God, are biblical? As “In Jesus Name”! HE alone is the Mediator, 1 Tim. 2:5…
“For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” (ESV)
This powerful verse seems to exclude any other “intermediares”!
I can remember back seeking to argue for the Catholic position of 1 Tim. 1:16-18, but even there, it does not address prayer outside of the “name” of Christ! As even Paul says, “May the Lord grant him..etc.” This, and the verses from 1 Tim. 2:5, etc., keep me from the “Catholic” position, and to the Protestant place, etc.
Just being real here, and this is a friendly disagreement!
Don’t pray it often (enough). See it as pondering the life of Christ through the eyes of His Mother. I don’t know that asking a person to pray for you violates Christ’s mediatorship. And while He alone is the only bridge between God and man (the only God-man), His role as mediator is not compromised by others intercede for us (cf 1 Tim 2:1-4, the preceding verses). Oh and then there is the whole in the Communion of Saints thing… gotta love that (!) – or miss it in your case Fr?
For me anyway, this whole subject should be seen in the soteriological sense. And when we focus on this subject here, the whole Mediatoral reality ‘In Christ’ is seen. I too love the Mystical Body of Christ, but again this is seen both spiritually, but always theologically. Praying for each other, biblically & theologically appears to be in this life alone. There is simply nothing in the Book or Letter to the Hebrews that allows mediatoral prayer, save through Jesus Christ alone, Himself the one great High Priest. This is the essence of the “better covenant”! (Heb. 7:22-28) And so the great mystical doctrine of the Communion of Saints is always “Christ Jesus” Himself, and there ‘In Christ’! – So no, I don’t miss anything that is not ‘In Christ’. To my mind, true Christian fellowship is always theologically ‘In Christ’, and it is only here that we have true “communion”. Spiritual-Mental-Theological!