SSPX: Doctrinal Preamble Leaked
June 23, 2012 25 Comments
ECCE HOMO: SSPX: Doctrinal Preamble Leaked:
“The criteria and guide for the understanding of the teachings of the Second Vatican Council are to be the whole Tradition of the Catholic Faith, which on its part makes clear certain aspects of the life and doctrine of the Church, which are not yet formulated, but implicitly present in it. The affirmations of the Second Vatican Council and of the Pontifical Magisterium of the past relative to the relationship between the Catholic Church and the non-Catholic christian confessions are to be understood in light of all of Tradition.”" The source is Father Pflüger, First Assistant Superior General of SSPX at a conference on Tuesday, June 5, 2012, at the school of Saint-Joseph-des-Carmes. It is a return to the 1988 formula of accession.
So as Ecce Homo cleverly comments-no more ” altar girls, Mass facing the people, Communion in the hand, and all the other innovations that Vatican II never permitted-not to mention no more compromise with other religions when it comes to ecumenical dialogue.”
And definitely no more stealth priestesses and the liturgical abuses which have recorded over many years on this blog!
If this is passed, liberal Catholicism is over, at least formally (one cannot but remember that repeated declarations would studiously ignored in the early part of the last century) and one can ask what was the point of the Council?
All of which makes me wonder what the SSPX position on the Ordinariates (Anglicans coming in) would be? Probably not that positive, I somehow think, but I would be open to correction here. Although, then again, with the Ordinariate announcing that its liturgy will be eastward facing, coupled with the restoration of a number of other ancient usages, perhaps they won’t mind all the joining Anglophones?
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Is the SSPX Preamble only for SSPX or for the whole Church? If it only applies to SSPX I’m not sure how altar girls, Communion in the hand, Mass facing the Church would change for the laity who don’t belong to SSPX.
“Anglophones”? What a hot line!
And there has been no announcement by the Ordinariate (at least the one in the US) that BDW masses will be ad orientum. Certainly they will be in churches that are built to have the liturgy celebrated that way, but in others that aren’t there has been no announcement either way.
And of course the authentic Anglican patrimony is to celebrate the Holy Communion service at the north end of a wooden communion table, as Cranmer ordered all altars destroyed in 1549.
Show me the word altar in the 552, 1559 or 1662 Book of Common Prayer?
That is why he wrote the prayer of Humble access….it refects his theology of teh table, minus the sacrificial altar.
Also, you can rest assured that the doctrinal preamble also states that Rome has the sole right and prerogative to interpret what is a genuine doctrinal development. The SSPX are so Protestant in tgheir understandiong of tradition..ie they only accept what they think is genuine Catholic tradition.
Catholic tradition is living and organic, and not bound by external forms.It is gauranteed by the successor of St peter,confirmer of the Brethren, through the Holy Spirit.
I find it ironic that as a Former Anglican..
1) I upset Anglo catholics when I emphasise the Protestantism of Cranmer and his liturgy.
2) Upset Traditionalists who like to think the modern Mass is like Cranmer, and so justify their yearning for the old.
I thank God, that I was an Evangelical Anglican before conversion and understand the real Protestant roots of Anglicanism.
The SSPX, “Protestant”? Humm, not sure about that! Real Catholicism is certainly a “unity” but not really a uniformity. The question of just what is The Catholic Faith? Will always be a debate! But, I would agree with you about the Protestant and Evangelical place of historic Anglicanism, we see that in the Anglican Thirty-Nine Articles. Sometimes I wonder just how many Anglicans have actually read them thru even once? And classic and historic Anglicanism is simply via-media, the church of the middle way: both “catholic” and “reformed”. I will myself always argue and seek to maintain this position in classic Anglicanism! And even here btw one can be something High Church, also.
Father, just a couple of days ago you showed “what the SSPX position on the Ordinariates could be” yourself in a note about Fr Seraiah gathering not only Anglicans but also traditionalists in a new Ordinariate community in Iowa.
On SSPX, I actually dug up some old articles about their reaction to the Ordinariates. They’re happy about it, it turns out.
http://sspx.org/news/900_anglicans_become_catholic.htm
via Fr. Z:
http://wdtprs.com/blog/2011/05/sspx-reaction-to-the-anglican-ordinariate-and-the-recent-converts/
Thanks! Now that’s what I was looking for. Note the (SSPX) ‘Despite some reservations…’
Compared to SSPX, Ordinariate Catholics are loyal and obedient to the Pope.
Yes, the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX), does present real problems for Rome! I mean for them, the SSPX there has been no real Pope since Pius the X! But, it is interesting that they seem to welcome the Anglican Ordinariate? And yet, they do see the grave problems of the Gaudium et Spes, the Pastoral Constitution on the church in the modern world for Vatican II. And even Ratzinger/Benedict is here also. Indeed, big problems, theologically and pastorally!
Indeed I should have said too, that the SSPX reject the reality of the whole of Vatican II, also!
Oh, no. FSSPX is not sedevacantist; that’s the FSSPV, which broke away from FSSPX in 1983. There -are- people who lean towards sedevacantism in FSSPX, but they’re the “fringe of the fringe” so to speak.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_J._Morgan_(Sedevacantist)
Indeed its hard to keep up sometimes with this! Of course I am just looking from the outside.
Btw, here’s a link of one of these “Idiots”, who not only can’t do theology (as a bishop), but don’t understand – or perhaps don’t want to understand the reality of history!
http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2011/07/12/german-court-fines-sspx-bishop-williamson-for-denying-holocaust/
Also here..
http://www.adl.org/main_Interfaith/Society_Saint_Pius_X.htm
As a fan of SSPX, I will quote Bishop Fellay: “Freedom of Religion is not the same as Freedom to Err.”
Now, we must be careful not to call SSPX anti-semitic, since there’s the Jewish faith, which is in error, and the Jewish race, which has nothing to do with any sort of faith. For example, Hitler considered Judaism and Christianity to be expressions of Jewishness which has “weakened the Aryan race” and so were suppressed in favor of his own constructed pagan racial religion.
The main focus of the society has always been the preservation of the Latin Mass as a viable form of worship, but the ADL, being an emerging pro-Israel, comparable Jewish version of the German American Bund, is eager to put forth its pro-Zionist agenda by labeling and shaming people critical of Israel and the Jewish religion.
The Christian Religion is the One, True Religion. Our Temple is Jesus Christ, the Second Person of the Holy Trinity, who is present in every Mass, until the End of Time as He is the New and Everlasting Covenant. This makes Judaism incorrect. There can be no compromise on this.
Simply, powerfully and profoundly the Jewish covenant/covenants are the backdrop of historic Christianity! As even our Lord Jesus said: “You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is of the Jews.” (John 4:22) And with our great Saul/Paul, the Apostle to the Gentiles/Nations: “For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; Whose are the fathers, and whom as concerning the flesh (Incarnation) Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.” (Romans 9:3-5 / see also Rom. 15: 8-9, etc.) As too, we can see in chapter 11, especially verses 28-29 (noting too verses 31-32, etc.), surely all of God’s covenant blessings and Salvation History come trough the nation of “Israel”! We must never forget that Jesus was and really IS a Jew! As was His mother Mary our Blessed Virgin! (Luke 1: 54)
Btw, the Jewish Faith was never in “error” (overall), as was the Jewish leadership, (Matt. 23:2-3).
One thing to keep in mind that the Society has seen considerable growth at least here in the US since the excommunications were lifted. There are now people who go to such parishes because they now feel free to do so. They did not previously. There are loyal Catholics amongst them. There is a benefit to having the American way of hundreds of independent bishops and dozens of Popes. Every nut can have his or her own ecclesiastical sandbox and leave the resr of us in peace. Ome thing I need to say as well. Ordinariate Catholics are not merely loyal Catholics compared to this group or that. They are not less disloyal than others. They are simply loyal Catholics.
Has anything changed since here?
http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1100721.htm
Yes. Check Rorate Caeli: It’s a waiting game, now.
http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2012/06/for-record-rome-sspx-against-rumors.html
SSPX, still going strong! Btw, this kind of Catholicism is closer to what I remember in Dublin in the 1950′s and early 60′s! I left!
http://maryvictrix.com/tag/bishop-fellay/
This was the link I meant to put up…
http://www.dici.org/en/category/upcoming-events/