Filed under Church
Tagged as Anglicanorum Coetibus, Christianity, Church, Ordinariate, Research, Tracey Rowland, Unity
What a load of nonsense.. you wonder whether these persons live in the real world. There are considerably less than a hundred souls in the Australian Ordinariate.
If the Anglican patrimony is so wonderful..why does it have to be surgically operated on?
Its rather like a suitor proposing to a young woman, decalring her beauty and then asking her to get a face lift.
As for having Westminster Abbey choral evensongs in the Ordinariate. that is very unrealistic….
The BCP never won the English soul and a catholicised Cranmer will not do so either.
These people are optimistic. If we’re defeatist, or at least pessimistic, indeed, why bother with anything? Might as well give up and give in.
The Anglican patrimony is wonderful, but the tumor of Protestantism will take what it can unless it is cut off. If not operated upon, no matter how wonderful the Anglican patrimony is, it’s going to hell with Cranmer.
I see it more as a suitor proposing to a young woman, declaring her -natural- beauty, and then asking her to wash off all that whorish Protestant make-up.
One day, a Catholic monarch will sit on the British throne again. Along with that goes Westminster Abbey, along with all churches and cathedrals in Britain. Otherwise, they will either become mosques or museums.
If Cranmer can do it, Catholics can do better. Among other advantages our age has, Cranmer never had the internet, nor the 500 years of extra experience the Church has on earth, including two World Wars, atheist revolutions, and man going to the Moon.
The issue is either what is being worshiped, or how it is being worshiped. It’s obvious that we worship God, and perform the bloodless sacrifice He instructed us to make through the Eucharist, but the question is -how- And the language is the specific issue, not the rite itself, as the Sarum rite is older than Cranmer.
What a load of nonsense. Cranmer got rid of Sarum and replaced it with a BCP which expressed the heresy of justification by Fath alone..even that Brilliant liturgist Gregory Dix called his communion service the only attempt to put the doctrine of justification by faith alone in liturgical form.Sarum is the liturgical heritage of the Catholic Church in England and Wales and not that of the Anglicans, current or Ordinariate bound.
When you use the words.. Lord we do not come to this your table…… you are endorsing the man, who had 14,000 altars destroyed. Yes the word table of the Lord is capapble of orthodox interporeation, but the BCP prayer is reflective of the Protestant theology of Cranmer.
Another example.. ” In sure and certain hope ” of the resurrection… reflects this belief as well. We do not have the absolute assurance that the person being buried is going to heaven and will rise with the Blessed.
The Use should have adapted these words and said, “In hope of the…” instead of sure and certain.
WHAT? Wait, so Ordinariate Masses are NOT Sarum Rite?
I honestly thought they were Sarum Rite, just with English translation. (Which I thought was outlined in Book of Divine Worship.)
Well…. What can people do to make this entire thing orthodox, then? Or does it all depend on the higher-ups? Does the laity have any involvement in this concern, or what?
“…going to hell with Cranmer…”
That’s so sweet!
To say that I don’t care for Arch-heretics like Luther, Calvin, and Cranmer is to say that Sodom and Gomorrah are are unpleasant places.
They are wicked and debauched. Anti-Christ and in league with Satan.
Cranmer did not just translate Sarum, and he drew from Protestant liturgies as well. He struck out the oblation, prayers for the dead and invocation of the saints.Instead of praying that the elements becomethe body and blood of Christ, he changed it in his 1549 BCP to that they may be to use the subjective reasoning here. In 1552 , he even got rid of that expression.
That is why even in the Anglican Use..the Roman canon has to be employed and not his heretical eucharistic prayer.
WHY WOULD CRANMER DO THAT!? It… It just boggles my mind. I mean, with the sort of liturgical abuses that occurs in the Catholic Church, one would expect to be used to it, but the entire concept of changing something as important, as, oh, I don’t know, the Sacrifice of JESUS CHRIST is just repulsive. The outrage never gets old, probably because the right and true Mass NEVER gets old.
It’s as if we suddenly decided to paint over all of the Sistine Chapel’s paintings because all the women “look gross” and we totally know better than the people who made it and preserve it. Except that act would prompt everyone to do things like smash statues and icons, because it was suddenly acceptable.
Why did Cranmer do that… read Ephesians ..our battle is not against flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers……..
I suppose Cranmer lost that battle.
Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:
You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. ( Log Out / Change )
You are commenting using your Twitter account. ( Log Out / Change )
You are commenting using your Facebook account. ( Log Out / Change )
You are commenting using your Google+ account. ( Log Out / Change )
Connecting to %s
Notify me of follow-up comments via email.
Notify me of new posts via email.
Enter your email address to follow this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email.
Get every new post delivered to your Inbox.
Join 735 other followers