So opts Fr Anthony Chadwick.
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Did I opt? In the substance of the matter, probably. As regards practical consequences, I am much less certain. And what about you?
For starters, abp Di Noia’s appointment to a position “invented” specifically for dialogue with SSPX (and not even envisaged in the CDF’s own constitution), prior to abp Muller’s appointment to CDF, seems to invalidate claims that the pope is not sincere in his outreach to the Society. Di Noia’s position is generally viewed as a “buffer” placed by the pope between SSPX and abp Muller, exactly for the purpose of mitigating the “red rag” concerns related to the latter.
What the Society will do, however, I haven’t the faintest idea. They are simply unpredictable.
I would agree that the position of the SSPX amounts to moving the goalposts in such a way as any agreement with Rome would be impossible. I have always believed that Pope Benedict XVI has his heart in the right place. But, why appoint +Müller and +Roche now?
I prefer not to speculate about the SSPX. What is certain is that the day there is no dialogue between them and Rome, that day they will be discredited with their own faithful and they will become very marginal indeed. Between that and getting dismantled by Müller for spare parts, they are truly sailing between Scylla and Charybdis. It’s a tricky choice.
Perhaps Johannis would go in there with a machine gun and sort them out!
Tempting, but I’d rather start with certain Anglicans (not necessarily -you- folks at TAC) and atheists, atheists everywhere, especially in institutes of higher learning who seem to thrash Christians who are either unwilling or unable to debate and defeat the atheist.
The SSPX would be the last people I act against, because they are in schism, but are not heretics. They are like my hero, Savonarola, who I think was wrongly judged and burned as a heretic by a corrupt pope for rightly speaking out against corruption in the Church. Savonarola did not proceed to make his own church, the same way Martin Luther and Henry VIII had, and neither does the SSPX. They consider themselves Roman Catholic, I am Roman Catholic, the Pope is Roman Catholic, and the difference is of the matters of obedience to relevant, orthodox statements put forth by the Pope and the Second Vatican Council- and the willingness of the Roman Curia to let the cancer of modernism and Protestantism to spread without taking the bitter medicine of tradition. There -are- some good bishops and cardinals out there who champion tradition, but they are being drowned out by the loud bongo drums of those who seek to imitate the almost-pagan charismatic movements and subscribe to liberal, pluralistic spiritual whoredom.
Müller was appointed because the next major battle that Rome will be fighting is the overhaul of the Church in the German speaking lands. The last decade has been devoted to the Anglosphere but this stage America and Canada are getting back to an even keel, with England & Wales to follow given a third of dioceses fall vacant in the next 18 months (the appointment of Mgr. Philip Egan to Portsmouth last week sets the tone for future appointments).
Indeed the day of the “Visible” Church Catholic, is nill in a culture of postmodernity! Where ARE the Christians? Always in the “Invisible” Body of Christ! This is the further day of apostasy, simple as that! While many seek to play church, the church of “spirit and truth” moves on! But then I am a convinced ‘Evangelical Anglican’. And btw, where are the “preachers”? “It pleased God, says Paul, “by the foolishness of Preaching to save them that believe.” (1 Cor. 1:21) The word here translated “preaching,” kerygma, signifies not the action of the preacher, but that which he preaches, his “message”.
Well, it’s either me as a preacher/rabble rouser/apoplectic malcontent, or it’s old men that no one listens to.
The youth never listen to their elders, and if they did, good for them- they’ll be treated like their elders.
Your logic, history and theology “suck”! How’s that for an old man!
O LORD which dost teach us that all our doing without charity are nothing worth; send thy holy ghost and power into our hearts that most excellent gift of charity, the very bond of peace and all virtues, without the which whosoever liveth is counted dead before thee: Grant this for thy only son, Jesus Christ’s sake.
(from the original Book of Common Prayer, 1549)
Never mind the SSPX reconciling, Anthony Chadwick sort your own self out. I understand you are an apostate Catholic.
Mr. Williams, when are people here going to get the biblical-theological meaning of “apostate” right!? (See, Heb. 6: 4-6, etc.) Wherever Fr. Chadwick resides theologically and ecclesiastically, he is not a “Catholic” apostate! And besides no man in this life can measure this, but GOD!
If I didn’t have the faith, you would be the one who proved to me that there was no God.
Addendum – replying to R I Williams
My spiritual father recommended this prayer to me:
O Lord and Master of my life! Take from me the spirit of sloth, faint-heartedness, lust of power, and idle talk. But give rather the spirit of chastity, humility, patience, and love to Thy servant. Yea, O Lord and King! Grant me to see my own errors and not to judge my brother; For Thou art blessed unto ages of ages. Amen
To never have had the Ctholic faith and to be in genuine ignorance is one thing..but to have left the Catholic Church is to imperil ones salvation.
Humm?… but just what is the “true” Catholic Faith, that is the real question! And for me, as one born, and early educated “Roman” Catholic, Rome is certainly is NOT the only “Catholic” body. And I like what Phillip Schaff said: “The Reformation is the legitimate offspring, the greatest act of the Catholic Church.” Thankfully, we have seen some renewal in the RCC, with Vatican II, but it is certainly not perfect or infallible. But it is still there, and really asks and needs to be interpreted!
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