Fr Stephen Smuts

Liturgical Language Poll

with 6 comments

It’s over at the Anglo-Catholic.

Lately there has been a lot of debate here on The Anglo-Catholic with regard to the type of liturgical language that should prevail in the Ordinariates. There is a great deal of passion on all sides and a number of people have suggested polling our readers on this issue. So we’ll start with a basic question.

What type of liturgical language would you like to see used in the Ordinariates?

Take part if will over there.

 

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Written by Fr Stephen Smuts

July 25, 2012 at 21:56

6 Responses

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  1. Traditional English, all the way!

    But it got me to thinking how useful it would be to have a sort of Anglo-Catholic forum that everyone can go to and discuss things as a social hub, rather than depending solely on blogs. I notice how difficult it can get to respond to people at times.

    Ioannes

    July 26, 2012 at 00:38

    • For once I agree with Ioannes. Chances are that any Ordinariate parish I might think of joining will require me to travel a long way across town. That’s just not worth the trouble for novus ordo and a few nice hymns. Besides, I’m a Low Mass type. People who want novus ordo English can get it a short walk away from home. If the Ordinariate doesn’t distinguish its liturgical language and culture, it’s sunk.

      Out of the Frying Pan

      July 26, 2012 at 01:18

      • I’ve met individuals in the Ukrainian Catholic Church whose “Home Parish” is too far away from the local parish they regularly go to. I suppose they go to those far-off parishes for really special occasions like weddings, confirmations, and funerals/memorial services, etc. I can’t see why that arrangement wouldn’t work for the Ordinariates.

        Ioannes

        July 26, 2012 at 04:04

  2. Ironic that people prefer the sixteenth century vernacular to the 21st, the prayers of a self avowed heretic, who described the Mass as “the weed that choketh the gospel.” Who struck out of the BCP, oblation, prayers for the dead, invocation of saints, a rite of annointing the sick..and drew up 42 articles,19 of which directly contradict and attack Catholic doctrine..plus his ordinal, which lost Anglicans a valid priesthood. I bet there is not one in 1,000 in the ordinariate who has read his poisonous Book of Homilies.

    Here is a link to the Director of Church Society ( the leading Church of England Evangelical grouping), the Reverend Lee Gattis, speaking on the Protestantism of the 1662 BCP and the Anglican patrimony. Its worth a listen:

    :https://dl.dropbox.com/u/13690817/The%20Evangelistic%20Strategy%20of%20the%20BCP%20%28Lee%20Gatiss%29.mp3.

    Robert ian Williams

    July 26, 2012 at 06:16

    • Hitler spoke German. If I spoke German, does that make me a Nazi? Pagan Romans spoke Latin, but it doesn’t make me pagan, or a citizen of Rome, if I spoke and read Latin, does it? Nor would it make the Roman Catholic Church pagan, nor exclusively limited to the precinct of Rome, as some people think it is or ought to be. It’s a sort of association fallacy to say that the usage of 16th century English makes us the same as Cranmer and his buddies despite the contrary. Do members of the Ordinariates have to continually kiss a picture of the Pope to prove their Catholicness, even if the Pope himself allowed the members of the Ordinariates to bring over their Anglican Patrimony? I didn’t know we are at a position equal to that of the Holy Father to make statements against the Ordinariates.

      Maybe no one at all should use English in the Latin Rite, since English, by association with protestants, isn’t worthy to be used as all in Roman Catholic Masses? Maybe I should protest against my local Bishop for allowing the use of English in his diocese and finding no Mass at all in Latin? Or maybe we should criticize Roman Catholic priests for wearing clerical collars, since the detachable clerical collar was invented by the Donald Mcleod, a Presbyterian minister? (And we all know how evil and sinister Presbyterians are!)

      I mean I could try, but I’d be a hypocrite for using English ANYWAY.

      Ioannes

      July 26, 2012 at 11:07

  3. Allow an hour to do so.

    anon

    July 26, 2012 at 10:45


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