Ordination Before Formation or Formation Before Ordination?

Asks Deborah Gyapong:

Maybe some of my informed readers can help me out on this.  Are there different policies concerning the formation of incoming Ordinariate clergy, depending on the country?

For instance, in the United States, what has been the length of time required ahead of ordination for clergy?  In the United Kingdom?  In Australia?

Maybe someone from this side can help answer? To do so, click here.

Btw. on the above thread, Peter Karl T. Perkins observes:

I’ve noticed that the four men to be ordained for the Australian personal  of the Southern Cross on 8th September, the Feast of the Nativity of our Lady, are all recent members of the Anglican Church of Australia.  Not one of them hales from the TAC.  I am wondering how many Australian TAC priests have received the nulla osta and when they will be able to enter formation programmes leading to ordination.  In Canada, only two priests from the Canterburian Anglican Church of Canada have entered the American Ordinariate.  As it happens, they are the only two to have been ordained as Catholic priests so far: not even one of the former TAC priests has been ordained as a Catholic priest.

The Mass at Perth as reported on this blog was just the Novus Ordo with two short prayers thrown in from the Anglican patrimony.  Now we find that the clergy, apart from Msgr. Entwistle, will be all non-TAC clergy at first.  I am beginning to wonder how much the Australian Ordinariate will resemble the Australian TAC.  Will the two have anything in common at all?



Anglicans to Rome: (Fr) Jurgen Liias

Via the blog: Back of the World.

Jurgen Liias was a widely-respected Episcopalian/Anglican priest just north of Boston, who I’ve had the pleasure of meeting and interacting with briefly. This Wednesday, he’ll be received into the Catholic Church, as a part of the Apostolic Ordinariate. Check out his description of his journey home on his blog:

From the closing passage: “The unity of the church is not only an imperative for the internal life of God’s people but an essential dimension of her evangelical mission. There is no greater scandal and impediment to the conversion of the world to the love of Christ than her divisions. Pope Benedict established the Anglican Ordinariate both as a concrete instrument to begin to heal organically the divisions of the Reformation and as an essential strategy for the sake of “the new Evangelization.” Many have seen in this initiative a bold prophetic action. As an Anglican I have received it as a gracious invitation to reconciliation. I can find no valid faithful reason to decline.”

As a former-Anglican myself, and an unabashed fan of Anglican patrimony and the Apostolic Ordinariate, this is exciting news. Say a prayer for Fr. Liias and the parishioners coming home with him (I understand they number around 15-20).

UPDATESalem News has more:

A longtime North Shore clergyman is in line to become one of the first Episcopal priests in the country to be ordained as a Roman Catholic priest.

The Rev. Jurgen Liias, who led Christ Church in Hamilton for 14 years before forming a breakaway Episcopal church in Danvers, has applied to the Vatican to be ordained into a new U.S. ordinariate created by Pope Benedict XVI on Jan. 1.

Liias said he will resign as an Episcopal priest and will be confirmed as a Catholic in a Mass on Wednesday at St. Margaret Church in Beverly Farms. If his application is approved by the Vatican, he will be ordained as a Catholic priest this fall.

Sitting inside St. Margaret’s on Friday, still wearing his Episcopal priest collar, Liias said, “I feel like this is what God wants me to do.”

Liias is among the first wave of Episcopal priests who have responded to Pope Benedict’s invitation to join the Catholic Church through the ordinariate, which is designed to allow Anglicans to become Catholic while retaining elements of their Anglican heritage. Church officials describe an ordinariate as a parish without geographic boundaries.

Liias said that about 20 members of his former church, Christ the Redeemer in Danvers, plan to convert to Catholicism. The group would like to form its own parish within the Catholic church, with Liias serving as their priest and services held at St. Margaret’s.

Liias said he would also seek permission from Cardinal Sean O’Malley to assist the Rev. David Barnes, the pastor at St. Mary’s in Beverly and administrator at St. Margaret’s, in saying Masses and hearing confessions. St. Margaret’s does not have its own priest.

Barnes said he could not comment on Liias’ ordination because it has not yet been approved but said he is excited to have him join the Catholic faith.

“He’s definitely a leader,” Barnes said. “He’s got a lot of spirit and a lot of creativity. He’s dedicated to the Scriptures and to the Lord and to the church. I’m sure where he goes, a lot will follow.”

Liias, 64, is married with two grown children and two grandchildren. Priests who join the ordinariate are allowed to remain married but must submit a written letter of support from their wives in their applications for ordination.

Liias’ wife, Gloria, a member of Christ the Redeemer, is not converting but is supportive of his decision, he said.

“We’ve been married for 42 years, and we’ve managed to make our marriage work with differences,” he said. “It’s important to model marriages that don’t depend on absolute uniformity.”

Liias has been an Episcopal priest for 40 years, but his ties to the religion go even deeper.

He was born in Germany in 1948, just after World War II. His father was an Estonian who was wounded during the war and conscripted into the German army during the Nazi occupation. His mother was separated from her family in East Germany.

His parents applied for emigration after the war, and his family, which now included his younger brother, moved to the United States and lived in a camp for displaced persons in western Massachusetts.

The family was eventually taken in by the priest of an Episcopal Church in Charlestown and lived in the church rectory for 10 years.

“That had a profound influence on me,” Liias said. “From the time I was a little boy, I wanted to be a priest.”

Liias served for 14 years as rector at Christ Church in Hamilton. Concerned about what he said was the Episcopal Church’s move away from “basic Christianity” with its support of abortion and homosexuality, he led the effort to form a breakaway church, Christ the Redeemer Anglican Church in Danvers.

“I found myself moving in a different direction ideologically,” he said. “I began to wonder if the Episcopal Church was the best home for me.”

Liias said he had thought about becoming Catholic ever since Pope John Paul II made a “pastoral provision” in 1980 allowing Episcopalians to join the Catholic Church.

When Pope Benedict renewed the effort this year with the establishment of the ordinariate, he said, “That, to me, was the final sign that this was the time to become a Catholic. I couldn’t say no to that invitation.”



‘The Ordinariate Opens Up a New Chapter in the Long History of Christianity in Our Land…’

A Glorious traditional walking pilgrimage…

Writes the well and widely respected Aunty Joanna Bogle:

…to Walsingham. The John Paul II Walking Pilgrimage for the New Evangelisation….a good crowd, mostly young but with some older people including Auntie, gathered at the ancient ruined abbey in Bury St Edmunds. Ruined by Henry VIII – but on this golden summer evening suddenly alive again as Mass was celebrated there, the sound of voices saying “I confess to Almighty God…” and singing Kyrie Eleison, and Sanctus, Sanctus, Sanctus… and the sight of people kneeling on the soft green grass and lining up to recieve Holy Communion. We sang “For all the saints…” and thought of St Edmund, boy-king and martyr…

The Mass was celebrated by a priest of the Ordinariate of Our Lady of Walsingham, and this seemed especially appropriate as the Ordinariate opens up a new chapter in the long history of Christianity in our land…. the Abbey ruins carry a plaque, placed there in the 19th century, noting that bishops gathered there to discuss and plan for Magna Carta, the first part of which insists that “the English Church shall be free…”

After Mass was over, we gathered in the church hall, and Sister Hyacinthe of the Dominican Sisters of St Joseph, organisers of the Pilgrimage, got us all introducing ourselves and sorting out arrangements for the days ahead.

The Sisters are splendid. There was a good supper waiting for us, and then we trooped into the church for Night Prayer. It’s a lovely building – a real piece of Catholic history – Georgian, with box pews, and we sang the Dominican form of Night Prayer, going turn-and-turn-about with the psalms. Then we settled down for the night in the church hall, which is actually the crypt of the church. Separation sections for men and women were created by sheets hung on a long line down the centre. It was a warm night and I opened the door into the large walled garden and wandered there for a while before tiptoeing back in and snuggling down…we had all brought mats and sleeping-bags and so on.

The next morning saw us gathered again in the church for Monring Prayer, and then setting off for the village of Brandon. Here we had Mass in the Catholic church, concelebrated by our two Ordinariate priests, and with some splendid singing. Then a hearty breakfast provided by volunteers from the local parish, who also gave us a grand send-off, as we walked out out in a great column, with a banner of Our Lady of Walsingham…



Catholic Church Vicariate Leaves Kuwait, Picks Bahrain as Gulf HQ

Arabian reports:

Bahrain will take over from Kuwait as the headquarters of the Vicariate of Northern Arabia for the Roman Catholic Church.

Bishop Camillo Ballin will continue to lead the Vicariate, a statement said.

“After thoughtful consideration and the completion of a new Roman Catholic Church in the Kingdom, Bahrain will host Vicariate as a testament to the Kingdom’s religious and cultural openness,” the statement added.

The Vicariate of Northern Arabia holds responsibility for hundreds of regional churches and the spiritual well-being of over 2 million Roman Catholics living in the Gulf.

In February, it was reported that a Kuwaiti parliamentarian was set to submit a draft law banning the construction of churches and non-Islamic places of worship in the Gulf state.

Kuwaiti Member of Parliament Osama Al-Munawer announced on Twitter he plans to submit a draft law calling for the removal of all churches in the country.

However, he later clarified that existing churches should remain but the construction of new non-Islamic places of worship should be banned.

In March, it was reported that the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia said it is “necessary to destroy all the churches of the region”.

Sheikh Abdul Aziz bin Abdullah, Saudi Arabia’s top cleric, made the comment in view of an age-old rule that only Islam can be practiced in the region.