Anglican Cathedral (TAC) in Orlando Becomes Catholic

Via Seasons of Grace:

It’s been five years in the making, and this morning the Cathedral of the Incarnation in Orlando, Florida will become Catholic.At a Mass of Reception at 10:15 a.m. Sunday, September 16, the Cathedral of the Incarnation, which was formerly associated with the Anglican Church of America, will become the Parish of Incarnation—joining about twenty other former Anglican or Episcopal congregations to be accepted in the Personal Ordinariate of the Chair of St. Peter, the personal ordinariate established as a home for Anglican converts to Catholicism in the United States and Canada.

Monsignor Jeffrey N. Steenson, a former Episcopal bishop who now leads the Personal Ordinariate, will confirm the parishioners as Catholic during the Sunday service.

Bishop John Noonan, head of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Orlando, will participate in the liturgy, but the Parish of Incarnation will not become part of Orlando’s diocese.  Carol Brinati, spokesperson for the Orlando Diocese, explained, “While we recognize them as part of the Catholic church, they have their own services.  We share our beliefs, but everything else is separate.”

The impetus for many former Episcopalians and Anglicans who have sought entry into the Catholic Church has been the increasing liberalization of the Anglican Church—which has in recent years broken with tradition by ordaining women and gays as bishops and accepting homosexual marriage.

In July 1980, Pope John Paul II, responding to requests received from some priests and laity formerly or actually belonging to the Episcopal Church in the United States, had decided to make a special Pastoral Provision for their reception into full communion with the Catholic Church.  The Pastoral Provision provided a mechanism by which married, former priests coming from the Episcopal Church could be ordained in the Catholic Church, and personal worship communities could be created which would be allowed to retain elements of the Anglican liturgy.

And in November 2009, Pope Benedict XVI issued the Apostolic Constitution Anglicanorum Coetibus, an unprecedented invitation for Anglicans to become Catholic in groups or as parishes.  Anglicanorum Coetibus established the canonical structure for the personal ordinariates—which serve like dioceses, but which are national in scope.  Currently three personal ordinariates  have been established:  the Ordinariate of the Chair of St. Peter (serving the United States and Canada), the Ordinariate of Our Lady of Walsingham (in England and Wales), and the Ordinariate of Our Lady of the Southern Cross (in Australia).


34 thoughts on “Anglican Cathedral (TAC) in Orlando Becomes Catholic

  1. For those on fire in relation to Church Union the following comments taken from above text “Carol Brinati, spokesperson for the Orlando Diocese, explained, “While we recognize them as part of the Catholic church, they have their own services. We share our beliefs, but everything else is separate.” must sound a bit hollow.
    Fr.Ed Bakker OPR

    1. Well, father, IMHO the presence of +John Noonan of Orlando during the mass of reception does not exactly look like giving the cold shoulder to the newjoiners (or “a bit hollow”).

      1. I dont have a problem with the reception. But it came to my notice a few days ago from former Collegue Priests, who are studying now to go into the Ordinariate that they like to be involved in the wider Church as well. In other words if you are part of the Catholic Church , then as an Ordinariate Priest you should be able to assist in other areas. My way of thinking is that Union is togetherness , not just sharing beliefs and being seperate. It is just an observation of mine and although the Ordinariate is not my choice, I wish them well.
        Fr Ed Bakker OPR

    2. Well, Fr. Bakker, we have many idiots in the Roman Catholic Church. People who would rather have others attend a semi-protestant service rather than, say, Traditional Latin Mass, or even one of the Eastern rites. So It’s not surprising how they approach the Ordinariates.

      1. Ioannes, I find the phrase ” idiots” a bit too strong.You mentioned a semi – protestant service, I take you are referring to the Mass being said in the Ordinariates? That is not quite true, if you look at the wider Roman Catholic Church, then these services are more Roman Catholic then the Roman Catholic themselves. I enjoy watching video’s of Latin Masses , I think they are very meaningful. I have a selection of CD’s from Saint Nicholas du Chardonnet in Paris.I dont think I am one for regular Latin Masses, but can understand those, who love them. It goes to say that within the Roman Catholic Church there is some division in relation to the type of Liturgy , just like there is in the Anglican Church. I also enjoy Orthodox Church music, they say it is good for the soul, but when it comes to Sunday worship, I prefer to celebrate the Mass according to the Anglican Missal. It would be good if we could respect each other’s preferred ways of worship of our Blessed Lord. We cannot always agree, but we can show tolerance and respect. Pax. Fr.Ed Bakker

      2. No, not the Ordinariates! NOT THE ORDINARIATES! I LOVE THE ORDINARIATES! I prefer the Anglican Use to the Semi-Protestantized… ugh… Novus Ordo. (still valid, but barely, I guess.)

        I really hate how everyone on the other side of the now-gone-altar-rails are being pressured to behave as if they were in a concert and clapping at the Gloria, and raising their hands, and do some touchy-feeling things. That’s what I meant by “Protestantized” (I guess it’s more or less labeled “Evangelical”?)

        Regardless of what it is, it seems like a lame attempt by aging hippies to make church “cool” or whatever. Well, they’re all dying off now, and I’d rather be called a crazed traditionalist than follow the way of many of my generation, which is to become godless and have no understanding (or care) for the faith, in how we worship, why we worship, and Who we worship.

        But you see, I consider the Anglican Use to be what the Vatican II documents meant when there was an allowance to say the Mass in vernacular. I have said it once, and will say it again: If a Mass is said in English, it OUGHT to be using the sort of language found in the Anglican Use. But until (due to some miracle) the Anglican Use becomes widespread in my lifetime, at least in the United States, and specifically in a horrible nest of liberalism that is Los Angeles, the Latin Mass is the way to go.

        Now, I’m not also saying the Novus Ordo is invalid. It’s just so relaxed and so, so, so protestant-looking that I cannot help but expect some horrible liturgical abuse to happen during a feast day or even regularly. And people that go to Novus Ordo churches tend to treat the church as somewhere to socialize, gossip, and show off. I blame the relaxation of things, in failing to recognize that the church is the house of God, because God is truly in the tabernacle. But since priests have been preaching about “God is within you!” or “God is in our community!” and so forth, why bother with the Eucharist? I especially see people who, probably through these relaxations, treat the consecrated wafer like potato chip.

        In the times I have attended an Anglican Use service, there never were these issues. And the entire idiotic excuses of “People are falling asleep, praying the rosary by themselves, playing with their phones” are rightly dealt with by making people kneel and stand as often as possible. And they have no excuse to not sing because the hymns are in English, and people are given copies of the hymns. Oh, and the hymns do not sound like 1970’s adult alternative/easy-listening/soft-rock music. It is the best thing, ever.

        Can you really blame a person for being suspicious nowadays? You have bishops with child pornography, priests that abuse children, rebellious nuns, cowardly bishops that say and do nothing about issues, declining church attendance, poor catechism, and so much more.

        And now, something that sounded like what I’ve heard in some churches in L.A.

      3. Amen there Fr. Ed, I think simply of Matt. 18:20! I too respect most other Christian liturgy, but in the end, I am a so-called Low Church Anglican, but one that sees the Euharist more in the lines of Martin Luther, and Augustine. And in really, as the Anglican Thirty-Nine Articles, as Article XXIII, we have Bishops, Priests, and Deacons, but the Priests are “Presbyteri” not “Sacerdotes.” From the English Prayer Book “priest” is, therefore, “presbyter,” and corresponds to the prophet declaring the will of God!

        Note, in the Church of Rome absolution is described by the word “judicium,” while with us (Anglicans) we have its equivalent in “beneficium” by the ministration of God’s Word!

    3. @ Father Ed Bakker

      The quotation suggests to me that the spokesperson for the Orlando Diocese has not yet received a proper grounding in the relevant provisions. It’s unsurprising, the Catholic Church is a big organisation. In fact every ordinariate priest is de jure a full member of the priests’ council of the the diocese of his residence and every possible kind of local collaboration is encouraged.

      In the UK, where the OLW Ordinariate has been going for rather longer than in the USA and Australia, numbers of ordinariate priests also hold appointments as priests in charge of catholic parishes while at the same time ministering to their Ordinariate group.

      Not untypical would be Fr Ed Tomlinson’s Church in the Archdiocese of Southwark St Anselm’s Church Pembury or Fr Ivan Aquilina’s Parish St John The Baptist, Westerham Parish. There are plently of other examples, The collaboration is real.

      The Orlando diocese will eventually get things organised – There are still misconceptions in England 18 months on. Here is a post from Fr Ed Tomlinson<a href= Dispelling the Myths”.

      You might also try the blog of Mgr Edwin Barnes [a former Principal of St Stephen’s House Oxford and later Bishop of Richborough] now in his second half-century of ministry as an ordinariae priest Ancient Richborough.

      Bt as Father Ed put it a few days ago:-

      “On Monday the 17th I am offering mass at Saint Augustines in Tunbridge Wells and the following Sunday I am offering mass at the Mayfield school. So even more new faces to meet then. On the 22nd September I travel to Our Lady Help of Christians in Folkestone where I am preaching, hearing confessions, leading benediction, enrolling members in the scapula and distributing miraculous medals for the ‘Day with Mary’ organisation. Events begin at 10am and everyone is very welcome to attend.

      At 11am on Saturday the 29th September Father Gibbons is celebrating mass at the Medieval Church of Saint Michael which is situated between the villages of East Peckham, Mereworth and Wateringbury. Postcode TN12 5Ng for those who wish to attend.

      On top of all of these wonderful extra events in the diary there is also the return to Allen Hall for a new academic year and a return to Wickenden Manor for the excellent day retreats that are laid on for clergy. What a busy couple of weeks are in store but what good things to be involved in. And that only leads into October where a long walk with Auntie Joanna, the ordinations of old friends in Brentwood Cathedral and the launch of our own ‘I believe..’ series to mark the ‘Year of Faith’ are just some of the highlights!”

  2. Indeed, the Anglican “Ordinariate” is strangely “Catholic”, with an Ordinary “confirming” people as somehow Roman Catholic? Indeed the EO has it best here, at least as to this issue! Where are the Roman Catholic Bishops in this whole affair, and doing what?

  3. Quality not quantity……yes it is small, but every soul is precious to our Lord.
    It takes courage to convert and I thank God for his infinite grace.

    1. “Convert” to what? A Church? Christ is the Church! Yes, that old simple “biblical” place! Again, the ecclesiastical or visible Church, is connected to the invisble Church, and again the visible Church is not the Revelation “itself”, of the Word of God, but is itself part of that “common confession”, and “support” of the truth. (1 Tim. 3: 15-16)

      1. It seems to me that by continuosly repeating – in almost every single faith-related thread on this blog – your protestant ecclesiology claims and/or reminding that you are reformed catholic (a slightly oxymoronic term, BTW), which I am sure each regular reader of this blog knows perfectly well by now, you bring yourself dangerously close to the traditional definition of trolling.

      2. @CC: Funny, in debate or opposing discussion, when one cannot really debate the issue, then they often attack the man, of course this is ad hom. And again of course this is an open blog, and one never knows who is reading? And I of course also am sort of the odd man out on this blog, being the only Evangelical, and too the oriented “biblical” theolog here. But indeed I am always trying to press the issue biblically & theologically, and there are few takers it seems, rather sad. I can remember when “Catholic” theology was always willing to debate, and go scholastic!

      3. @CC.

        I would have thought that the definition of Trolling is to make absurdly and purposefully ignorant and incorrect statements in order to annoy and provoke them into an enraged state and have that show in how they comment.

        …Oh, I see what you’re saying here.

    2. It is quite important to define one’s terms.

      There is no such thing as an “Anglican Ordinariate”. An ordinariate is simply a particular Catholic jurisdiction principally intended for former Anglicans. All members of the different ordinariates are full members of the Catholic Church individually received into full communion. Many other former Anglicans (indeed a majority of those received over the last few hundred years) have been received individually and if they wish they may be registered as members of an ordinariate upon a simple written request.

      Reception into the Church does not make one “somehow Roman Catholic” it makes one “fully Catholic” – a member of that body described in the Nicene Creed as “unam, sanctam, catholicam et apostolicam Ecclesiam”.

      Technically, of course, reception of an Anglican into the Church is not “conversion” since all Anglicans are already Christans by virtue of their baptism. “Conversion” refers to the process of admission of non-Christians into the Church.

      While confirmation is normally administered by a Bishop to mark its importance, any priest with the appropriate faculty may administer the sacrament and many priests, including priests of the ordinariate, have that faculty.

      What are the [Roman] Catholic bishops doing? What they are duty bound to do, viz: admitting the Ordinaries as full voting members of their episcopal conferences; and ordinariate clergy as members of their priests’ councils, supporitng Ordinaries as clerics invested by the Holy Father with a jurisidiction co-ordinate to their own; supporting the ordinariates financially; accepting dimissorial letters to ordain deacons and priests for the ordinariates, arranging facilities for ordinariate ministry, appointing ordinariate clergy to diocesan posts where that contributes to the care of the people of Christ’s Church. That is not an exhausive list.

      @ Robert Ian Williams: Your sentiment is entiirely right. This is a “mustard seed” exercise and it is flourishing. By numbers of clergy under his jurisdiction, the OLW Ordinary already counts as a major religious superior and the way the CofE is going one can expect
      continued growth. I think 5 more ordinations are scheuled for the rest of this month. One prays for many more.

  4. A comment for Ioannes here. You placed a video at the bottom of your post and the reply button must have disappeared. Perhaps if I could comment on the use of the ordo novo in this part of the world, i.e. Australia and New Zealand. Prior to my ordinationation the TAC Diaconate I spent three years training in a RC Parish in the South Island of New Zealand. This was approved by the then RC Bishop of Christchurch, Bishop Cunneen. The service was almost protestant, and I tried to add some Anglo Catholic Touches , like serving with cotta and cassock, carrying a processional cross , genuflacting where it is appropriate to do so. There were two thuribles in the vestry, never used. I managed to convince Father to have to use me as a thurifer on one feast of the Assumption, He reluctantly agreed. Parisioners loved it , they asked ” could we have it all the time ” , the answer was offcourse no. A lot of Parishioners failed to cross themselves at the approrpriate time, let only genuflacting when approached the Blessed Sacrament. Hymns were ” Baptist type”, because one Parishioner had converted from that Church to the RC’s and she some influence over Father and dictated which hymns were to be sung.
    Can you image to sing ” Shine Jesus Shine ” and people banging the pews during the refrain.
    No hymnbooks , but a projector screen. This trend is seen at many parishes in this part of the world. Cathedrals might still have some sort of Solemn Mass. So I can identify what a number of your comments. Traditional Anglican worship, I feel , is worshipping the Lord in the beauty of Holiness and I am afraid that is the way I prefer to conduct my Ministry when it comes to celebrating the Holy Mass. Perhaps in some ways the Liturgy used by the Ordinarites could help Roman Catholics, who like you are disolutioned with the Novo ordo. Who knows?
    I agree , we live in difficult times , which are also reflected in some of the posts of this blog.But lets hold on and keep the Catholic Faith.
    Father Ed Bakker OPR

    1. That video was of the Bee Gees’ “How Deep is Your Love” if you haven’t heard of it, please feel free to Google it. But I suppose you already understand my point there.

      I have great respect for priests who’ve had the courage to wear the cassock. Because sometimes, I’ve seen priests who wear “civvies” all the time as a -point- about how banal they think their vocation is. And a lot of strange looks from people whose only experience in seeing someone wear a cassock is by seeing Keanu Reeves from the movie “The Matrix.”

      I am absolutely certain about how I love the Ordinariate liturgy. And I am certain the Anglican Use will help with the liturgical rut the American church has found itself in for the last 30-50 years. The issue now is the reception from the mainstream diocese. It’s like a polite “Oh, how nice…” And then promptly relegates it to the side, and never mentions it again. And considering how church architecture has become, it’s like a conspiracy to forever cast away anything traditional. That was the first reaction that resonated in me based on how the reception of the Anglican Cathedral in Orlando.

      So maybe promoting even the Anglican Use in Los Angeles, for example, is a lot like a man fighting a mountain of modernism. Now, I wonder, what are some steps in chipping away at this mountain? Writing a letter to the bishop? Forming a society? Reforming Catholic education? Those things seem futile because of the ignorance and lack of commitment of the laity and a part of the laity, as you have said in your own experience, seem to strongarm the hierarchy somehow. I really do not know who enrages me the most, those sort of laypersons, or the clerics who follow them and are more interested in being a friend rather than being a -father-. Those same laypersons are the ones who take offense at referring to God as “He/Him/Father” and would like to pretend that Jesus Christ was a black man whose chief mission on earth was to be a glorified social worker and doesn’t care about a sinful life. No mention of Hell, no mention of the Real Presence, no mention of Penance, but 100% lovey-dovey saccharine nonsense.

      1. You used the words “Reforming Catholic”! I have always thought of the term “Reformed Catholic”, which is really the history of the Anglican Thirty-Nine Articles! Yep, Christendom collectively always needs “Reforming” – Ecclesia semper reformada!

      2. By “Reforming Catholic Education” I mean making it less secular and making it more Catholic. It is Reforming the Reformation. Or in this case, Reforming the Modernization.

        That is to say. BRING BACK CLASSICAL CATHOLIC EDUCATION. For crying out loud, the only things they teach now in Catholic institutes of education (I’m looking at you, Notre Dame!) is basically the same sort of indoctrination they have at the local secular university.

        Also, no Luther or Calvin allowed. 😛

      3. Those so-called good old “Catholic” days are gone now…gone as the Judeo-Christian ethic, and no pope can return that! Btw, I had early a “classical” Roman Catholic education, with a B.A. way back when in Philosophy. It was a good formation, which I have further added onto. And thankfully Luther and Calvin, both Augustinians have been my mentors also! I consider it all providence! And no one can remove that from me… Thanks be to GOD!

    2. There is no doubt that in a Church entrusted to fallible humans, there will be from time to time liturgical fads which wax and wane Since I am now aged 68, you will understand that things were done very differently in the church of my youth. I travelled up North a few days ago for the funeral of my mother. who has just died aged 92. Her declining years were marked by increasing physical frailty and eventually Alzheimers and she had been in a care home for many years,

      I was horrified to see that the parish church had been vandalised (and I use the term advisedly) by the complete removal of the High Altar and Sanctuary in an attempt to create a Novus Ordo “worship in the round” space in the nave. The Monsignor who is now the parish priest told me that he is fundraising to put things back the way they were!

      Despite the difficulty created by the space and the use of the Novus Ordo rite, the funeral mass was simple and dignified and the use of the white vestments and pall did have significance.

      But I couldn’t help thinking that my mother, God rest her soul, who was a daily communicant for as long as she could walk to the Church, might have been happier with an extraordinary form funeral or whith the more traditional language of the Ordinariate Order for Funerals.

      You will gather that I support what Catholics are calling “the reform of the reform” and I have hig hopes for the liturgical influence the Oridinariates are having on the wider Church. One now sees Morning Prayer established and Evensong is catching on in a big way.

      1. My condolences, Mr. Mourad. I’m sorry to hear of your loss, and I will pray for her, and you, as I have also lost an elderly relative earlier this month.

        When my parents and myself go too, we’d also like to have the extraordinary form for our funerals. Hence, a sort of impatience on my part; time moves too quickly, but Holy Mother Church does not.

    3. @Fr. Ed: I was raised Irish Roman Catholic in Dublin, Ireland (1950’s early 60s). But those days are gone now, the old Latin Mass, and old school Irish R. Catholic Church. I can surely remember when we were taught, that save for the Baptism of Desire, our Protestant friends and certainly the Jews were Hell bound! Thankfully in God’s providence I had a greatgram who was a PB (Plymouth Brethren), and she knew her Lord, and her Bible! And she was a great affection on me, even when I was a boy and Roman Catholic. She gave me my first KJV Bible, and with my already Douai-Reims Bible, I was off and running reading my Bible’s! Yeah, I read them both, but the KJV of course took root (memory, cadence, etc.) As I have said here several times, I am thankful (in some measure) for being raised Roman Catholic. I knew early that Christ was God Incarnate Who died for my sins! And I came to know and believe in the Trinity of God, etc. And I still love the Virgin Mary, certainly the Theotokos (God-bearer), herself an elect vessel of grace for that Incarnation. But, Mediatrix and Co-Redemptrix? Simply not biblical or theological, to the NT! And so for me anyway, the Anglican Communion, as the classic Thirty-Nine Articles, show the English Church as the Church of the via-media: both “catholic” and “reformed”… indeed a Reformational & Protestant Church! And I will die in that “communion”, with both my BCP and my KJV! (Though I have almost every English Bible Translation known to man!)

      I say these things not to incite my so-called Roman Catholic or even Anglo-Catholic friends (and I think I have some in both), but as an Anglican priest/presbyter, I must speak the truth of God, as both my conscience, and I feel my spirit sees it! And yes, I am with Luther here, as to faith and conscience! And can I quote Mary here: “And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.” (Lk. 1:46-47) And amen, those of us who are believers in the Lord Jesus Christ, and baptised in our Triune God, simply must learn to see that the Body of Christ, as the Church is simply but profoundly bigger than we can even imagine! And no doubt, there will be “believers” in Christ in heaven and the glory, that have never seen the ecclesiastical sense of the church! This is my belief anyway. And too every “redeemed” soul should be able to “magnify the Lord”! May we say and do it more often, especially on the blogs!

      1. “And too every ‘redeemed’ soul should be able to ‘magnify the Lord!” – perhaps not to the capacity of Intensity or Degree of Glory as in Mary, most Holy – but yes and Amen to that!

        Fr. Robert, this may come as a surprise but, in truth you really are not semi-retired: your Love for Jesus, Salvation history and the Truth of HIS Gospel is palpable and infectious; your WItness-from-the-roof-tops…that does indeed “magnify The Lord”!
        The ‘Peace of Christ’ be with you, Fr. Smuts and to all who come here and rest awhile!

      2. @Margaret: Thank you for the kinds words! Yes, I am hardly semi-retired, I use the term since I am retired in the strict Anglican sense. Though I am still an Anglican priest, in the service of doing hospital chaplain work, etc. And yet, I fellowship with other Christians also, preaching sometimes. Especially with some conservative Lutherans, and sometimes too some FV or Federal Vision Presbyterians. Rare however with Anglicans, in the collective sense (here at least). Though I have even been asked to do some retreat work, (which I have done some, even liturgy/eucharist sometimes). But, I am always an Anglican! 😉 I am somewhat believe it or not, an ecumenical Christian! 🙂

        I hope you are involved in you parish life! I know you love the daily Eucharist! What is your church parish name if I can ask? I suppose there are many cultures there? Btw, how goes the Bible Study life where you are at? I know you know and love the Word of God! 🙂

        Peace be with you dear Margaret!

    1. The “authentic Jesus” IS the Church! But, as I keep saying, the Church of Christ is both visible and invisible, and must be defined biblically, theologically and even epistemologically! And YOU, have not even come close here! Mostly stating what “you” think the Church is NOT!

  5. Ioannes.
    I think we may have attended the same parish. I love the place and its connection to my family, but I cannot help a suppressed laugh at the Sanctus: “Hol-lay, Hol-lay, Hol-lay, Looo-yah”. I guess there will always be a bit of Episcopalian in me that has to laugh to keep from crying.

    Let’s hope that Archbishop Gomez cleans us up a bit.

    1. Dear, Fellow Californian. (Or even Angeleno)

      I am a bit pessimistic about how Archbishop Gomez cleaning up the Archdiocese; he might be overwhelmed by a certain Cardinal and his remaining liberal gang of aging hippies and their upper-crust financial benefactors. Opus Dei, yes- they have taken over the role of the Jesuits as the Church’s Marines, as the Jesuits sadly have become tearoom queens. But our dear bishop is just one man, and I suspect foul liberal forces working behind his back at the parish level, as parish councils start to have that strong-arming effect.

      For even now, we have whining priests talking about how we should respect people’s different spirituality (I hate that word) …. Except, of course, traditional Catholic spirituality.

      There needs to be more preaching in favor of the Latin Mass. (From top to bottom!)

  6. My comments may be later. but I have a question, I am in Fort Pierce FLa, can I Have the direction of a church member of the Ordinariate close to Fort Pierce FL. I need the information, or a phone number . Thank you. Fr. Burnet cherisol

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