The Make up of the Personal Ordinariate of the Chair of St Peter

Has been complied by frequent commentator on this blog, CatholicLeft.

I thought it might be worth attempting to report on the make up of the Personal Ordinariate of the Chair of St Peter (COSP), in terms of its membership, clergy and prospects in both the USA and Canada.

It is detailed and can be read here.

He lists all the Clergy here.

And,

Parishes that had shown an interest in joining the COSP, yet haven’t. Where are they now?

That list is here.

Several parishes/groups of different jurisdictions expressed an interest in, or support for, the Personal Ordinariate proposed for the USA and Canada. I thought it might be interesting to look at the Google Map of February 2011 and see what has happened to those groups not presently formally aligned (or soon to be)with the now existing Personal Ordinariate of the Chair of Saint Peter (COSP) and why that might be…

 

18 thoughts on “The Make up of the Personal Ordinariate of the Chair of St Peter

  1. John Bruce also did some research and came up with his list.

    http://stmarycoldcase.blogspot.fr/

    See the June 20, 2013 post, “I Came Here for the Waters — III”. I believe his list of buildings should include St. Barnabas, Omaha, Nebraska. They are buying it from ECUSA.

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  3. What ever happened to the anglo lutheran catholic church and there wanting to join the Roman Catholic Church? Is there any other Ordinariate that will be formed in the world? Is there any interest in Southern Africa for a Ordinariate?

    • Paul, Not sure what, if anything, the ALCC has been up to lately. Their web site appears to be pretty dead and they are rather tiny. [Hard to tell due to conflicting info on their web site if they have a local “church” in my area. One place say yes, another not. When I call the number I get a recording saying the person isn’t taking any calls.]

      I will admit they are fascinating lot. They “accept” both the 39 Articles (as interpreted by Newman’s famous Tract) and Augsburg Confession & Apology (non-Variata). Though both are subordinate to and interpreted thru all the official RC forumlations, including the RC CCC and the Joint Declaration on Justification.

      Of course, the big question is, why don’t they just join RCC? I suspect it has something to do with all the bishops and clergy. Likely a high ratio of them to parishes and parishioners. Rome may not be inclined to actively want them due to various issues, including lack of money, buildings, and laity? And they are trying to absorb the Ordinariates.

      http://anglolutherancatholic.org/

    • > What ever happened to the Anglo Lutheran Catholic Church and their wanting to join the Roman Catholic Church?

      The ALCC is an interesting topic … although (just based on the handful of conversations I’ve had on the subject) it seems that the ALCC tends to be a confusing topic. Perhaps a lot of confusion could be avoided by keeping this statement, particularly the latter half of it, in mind throughout the conversation:

      “Visible, corporate union with the Roman Catholic Church in whatever form is deemed appropriate by the Pope, bringing along as many other Lutherans and Lutheran Churches as possible along with it is the ALCC’s apostolate and goal.”

      http://anglolutherancatholic.org/faq2/

      • Peter, Have you checked out how tiny they are? They seem a bit like the proverbial ant that wants to get the attention of an…aeroplane? Wonder if they’ve ever had anyone who wants to reform the ALCC? I can see it now, the splinter RALCC. They’d add both the 2nd Helvetic Confession and the Heidelberg Catechism to their list of doctrinal statements, all, of course, interpreted entirely in complete conformity with controlling RC foundation. Then they’d be Reformed, Anglican, Lutheran, and Roman Catholic!😉

      • Their nucleus, of founding core, seems to have been a few Missouri-Synod Lutheran of a “catholicizing” bent, but they appear, for sure, to have “accreted” a number of Catholics, and at least two of their bishops were of Catholic background. I have also hears a report to the effect that the American Ordinariate/y declined to receive them into its jurisdiction, that is, declined to consider their clergy for ordination in the Ordinariate.

    • I haven’t really tried to find out just many people they have in their group. Clearly, there are a lot of people who dedicate themselves to bring Lutherans (and Anglicans) to Rome … of course the ALCC has the distinction, among said people, of being not-yet in communion with Rome themselves … but regardless, I don’t concern myself too much over them.

      • My impression is, or was, that a number of their clergy, and at least a couple of their bishops, were former Catholics; this could not have helped their cause.

      • That could be, I don’t know.

        I guess my point was that, if the ALCC were a group of RCs trying to get Lutherans to convert, probably none of us would have ever even heard of them. It’s the whole Lutherans-trying-to-get-other-Lutherans-to-convert motif that gets people talking about the ALCC.

      • Peter, They are not Lutherans. By definition, no one who rejects the clear language of the Augsburg Confession and Apology is a Lutheran. That is the core of confessional Lutheranism. They self-profess to be RCs, being in complete and full agreement with Rome in all things theologically. What has me talking is why are a group of RCs choosing to stay outside the RCC? Their own FAQ is interesting. They’ve sent their petition to Rome. Rome responded by saying just do the Ordinariate route. That route isn’t corporate reunion. It is one individual at a time crossing the Tiber. And the rules on being ordained as clergy apply.

        I suspect Dr Tighe is exactly right. If they are former RCs, Rome won’t let them return to RCC as ordained clergy. And if being ordained is more important than being RC, then they’ll remain ALCC? And then they are like the bell calling other Lutherans to join RCC even as they remain outside.

      • > They are not Lutherans.

        That may well be. I’m only saying that “Lutherans-trying-to-get-other-Lutherans-to-convert” is the motif (or theme, but it sounds better to me with “motif”) of their self-presentation.

        Probably not worth thinking too hard on.

    • The ALCC’s founder. Bp. Gladfelter, appears to have updated a page on Wikipedia about himself, and provided his current status.

      According to that page, he resigned from the ALCC in late 2011 and joined the “Ecumenical Catholic Communion”, a tiny, rather liberal denomination. He apparently left that in 2012 and returned to being a Roman Catholic layman. In November 2013 he rejoined the ALCC and assumed the title of archbishop emeritus.

  4. I don’t know for Puerto Rico, but the Japanese diocese you’re talking about (Nippon Kirisuto Sei Ko Kai) has disaffiliated from the TAC and is planning to become an extra-territorial part of the Australian Ordinariate. But the problem is that Anglican bishops of the Canterbury Communion in Japan vocally oppose any ordination of a former Anglican minister in the Catholic Church. So the latter news are that everything is put on hold for now. Anyway, there are only 1 retired bishop, and 4 priests with a few laypersons.
    http://www.nkskk.org/

    + pax et bonum

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